Talk:Klyros Language - Revision history

Daevaorn: /* Konos formation */

2013-01-18T00:22:37Z

Konos formation

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	::I entirely agree with bguy here. On reading the list of suffixes 1-15 that has been added to the Konos section, I must say I don't see the point in most of them. Why would one need to distinguish a place where an action happens by a suffix? Not very economic. Complexity without reason is something that usually does not exists in a language, at least not for long. And then those suffixes that have a justification are mostly redundant:		::I entirely agree with bguy here. On reading the list of suffixes 1-15 that has been added to the Konos section, I must say I don't see the point in most of them. Why would one need to distinguish a place where an action happens by a suffix? Not very economic. Complexity without reason is something that usually does not exists in a language, at least not for long. And then those suffixes that have a justification are mostly redundant:
	:::1. the one who does the process is expressed with the unmodified konos, like 'klyr'		:::1. the one who does the process is expressed with the unmodified konos, like 'klyr'
	:::2. check that one makes sense!		:::2. check, that one makes sense and is a must!
	:::15./16. the process itsself and the doing of the process would both be the gerund and can be expressed by a nominalisation of the process-indicated ksin "lyrsen" - "living" and "klyrsen" - "(the) living/state of being alive"		:::15./16. the process itsself and the doing of the process would both be the gerund and can be expressed by a nominalisation of the process-indicated ksin "lyrsen" - "living, alive" and "klyrsen" - "(the) living/state of being alive"
	:::all the rest, I can be safely ommited from the rules to be formed flexibly and "on demand" with a matching ksin as a suffix.		:::all the rest, I can be safely ommited from the rules to be formed flexibly and "on demand" with a matching ksin as a suffix.
	::--[[User:Daevaorn\|Daevaorn]] 01:00, 18 January 2013 (CET)		::--[[User:Daevaorn\|Daevaorn]] 01:00, 18 January 2013 (CET)

Daevaorn: /* Konos formation */

2013-01-18T00:00:16Z

Konos formation

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	:Sounds reasonable, but the Klyros Language is also an adaptive and flexible one, so too many additions like this might might it to inflexible. Also, I don't think it should be a carbon copy of Common, so that it has its own uniqueness in most sections. Personally I thought that '''sin''', '''san''', and the lack of them would be enough for the most part, but if you can think of one or two more very useful ones, I wouldn't disagree.		:Sounds reasonable, but the Klyros Language is also an adaptive and flexible one, so too many additions like this might might it to inflexible. Also, I don't think it should be a carbon copy of Common, so that it has its own uniqueness in most sections. Personally I thought that '''sin''', '''san''', and the lack of them would be enough for the most part, but if you can think of one or two more very useful ones, I wouldn't disagree.
	:-bguy		:-bguy
			::I entirely agree with bguy here. On reading the list of suffixes 1-15 that has been added to the Konos section, I must say I don't see the point in most of them. Why would one need to distinguish a place where an action happens by a suffix? Not very economic. Complexity without reason is something that usually does not exists in a language, at least not for long. And then those suffixes that have a justification are mostly redundant:
			:::1. the one who does the process is expressed with the unmodified konos, like 'klyr'
			:::2. check that one makes sense!
			:::15./16. the process itsself and the doing of the process would both be the gerund and can be expressed by a nominalisation of the process-indicated ksin "lyrsen" - "living" and "klyrsen" - "(the) living/state of being alive"
			:::all the rest, I can be safely ommited from the rules to be formed flexibly and "on demand" with a matching ksin as a suffix.
			::--[[User:Daevaorn\|Daevaorn]] 01:00, 18 January 2013 (CET)

	==Vocabulary itself==		==Vocabulary itself==

Boeven: /* interjections */

2011-07-17T20:52:05Z

interjections

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	This will not give us onomatopoeia (if you change the representation of a sound then defeats the purpose of being an onomatopoeia) or hellos and goodbys which in English are treated as interjections		This will not give us onomatopoeia (if you change the representation of a sound then defeats the purpose of being an onomatopoeia) or hellos and goodbys which in English are treated as interjections

	: Seems an interesting addition for the street klyran to me. I agree with Grigori though that there's the need to expand the vocabulary first, in order at least to cover the Basic English vocabulary. I wonder if we could help the task by pasting here a list of the 850 words of ~~Odgen~~ basic english[http://ogden.basic-english.org/words.html] --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 20:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)		: Seems an interesting addition for the street klyran to me. I agree with Grigori though that there's the need to expand the vocabulary first, in order at least to cover the Basic English vocabulary. I wonder if we could help the task by pasting here a list of the 850 words of Ogden's basic english[http://ogden.basic-english.org/words.html] --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 20:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

	==Basic English vocabulary==		==Basic English vocabulary==

Boeven: /* interjections */

2011-07-17T20:48:54Z

interjections

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	I think a vowel 1st would be best as most sudden interjections in English start that way and the Q can be sharp or drawled out.		I think a vowel 1st would be best as most sudden interjections in English start that way and the Q can be sharp or drawled out.
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			This will not give us onomatopoeia (if you change the representation of a sound then defeats the purpose of being an onomatopoeia) or hellos and goodbys which in English are treated as interjections

	~~This will not give us onomatopoeia (~~if ~~you change~~ the ~~representation~~ of ~~a sound then defeats~~ the ~~purpose~~ of ~~being an onomatopoeia~~) ~~or hellos and goodbys which in English are treated as interjections~~		: Seems an interesting addition for the street klyran to me. I agree with Grigori though that there's the need to expand the vocabulary first, in order at least to cover the Basic English vocabulary. I wonder if we could help the task by pasting here a list of the 850 words of Odgen basic english[http://ogden.basic-english.org/words.html] --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 20:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

	==Basic English vocabulary==		==Basic English vocabulary==

Sunhear at 18:17, 22 May 2011

2011-05-22T18:17:49Z

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 Just thought I'd open this discussion so that there could be communication between people who are working on this language.
 -bguy
 ==Basic English vocabulary==

Boeven: /* Basic English vocabulary */

2011-04-16T18:27:11Z

Basic English vocabulary

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	I'd suggest everyone (for now I am the only one working on the project, but still) to expand vocabulary to Basic English. Other words like "really cool meaning of some new word" can wait --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 04:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)		I'd suggest everyone (for now I am the only one working on the project, but still) to expand vocabulary to Basic English. Other words like "really cool meaning of some new word" can wait --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 04:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

	I'm really fascinated by the language. As soon as I can, I'll contribute. Feel free to contact me --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 18:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)		:I'm really fascinated by the language. As soon as I can, I'll contribute. Feel free to contact me --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 18:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

	==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==		==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==

Boeven: /* Basic English vocabulary */

2011-04-16T18:19:53Z

Basic English vocabulary

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	==Basic English vocabulary==		==Basic English vocabulary==
	I'd suggest everyone (for now I am the only one working on the project, but still) to expand vocabulary to Basic English. Other words like "really cool meaning of some new word" can wait --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 04:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)		I'd suggest everyone (for now I am the only one working on the project, but still) to expand vocabulary to Basic English. Other words like "really cool meaning of some new word" can wait --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 04:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

			I'm really fascinated by the language. As soon as I can, I'll contribute. Feel free to contact me --[[User:Boeven\|Boeven]] 18:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

	==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==		==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==

Grigori at 04:49, 27 January 2011

2011-01-27T04:49:30Z

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			==Basic English vocabulary==
			I'd suggest everyone (for now I am the only one working on the project, but still) to expand vocabulary to Basic English. Other words like "really cool meaning of some new word" can wait --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 04:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Grigori: /* Categorisation of Ideogram Files */

2011-01-05T07:14:05Z

Categorisation of Ideogram Files

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	==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==		==Categorisation of Ideogram Files==
	Hi all, y'know I hate to be a pain, but when you upload new/replacement ideograms, would you mind making sure that they're in the [[:Category:Klyros Ideograms\|Klyros Ideograms]] category..? It's just that (at the time of writing this) 126 of the 144 files in the [[:Special:UncategorizedFiles\|Uncategorized Files]] category belong to this language project. Thanks. - [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 23:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)		Hi all, y'know I hate to be a pain, but when you upload new/replacement ideograms, would you mind making sure that they're in the [[:Category:Klyros Ideograms\|Klyros Ideograms]] category..? It's just that (at the time of writing this) 126 of the 144 files in the [[:Special:UncategorizedFiles\|Uncategorized Files]] category belong to this language project. Thanks. - [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 23:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
			:Also, could you come to some agreement as to the image format you intend to use... we have duplicate images in various file formats. See [[Category_talk:Klyros_Ideograms]] for some idea of what I mean. Thanks. -- [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 11:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
	Also, could you come to some agreement as to the image format you intend to use... we have duplicate images in various file formats. See [[Category_talk:Klyros_Ideograms]] for some idea of what I mean. Thanks. -- [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 11:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)		::I will work on categorization in following days. Klyros ideograms will be moved into [[:Category:Klyros Ideograms\|Klyros Ideograms]], while obsolete ideograms will be moved to [[:Category:Images to be erased\|Images to be erased]]. --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 07:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
	:I will work on categorization in following days. Klyros ideograms will be moved into [[:Category:Klyros Ideograms\|Klyros Ideograms]], while obsolete ideograms will be moved to [[:Category:Images to be erased\|Images to be erased]]. --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 07:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

	==Usage of Kefaos==		==Usage of Kefaos==

Grigori: /* Categorisation of Ideogram Files */

2011-01-05T07:11:40Z

Categorisation of Ideogram Files

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	Also, could you come to some agreement as to the image format you intend to use... we have duplicate images in various file formats. See [[Category_talk:Klyros_Ideograms]] for some idea of what I mean. Thanks. -- [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 11:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)		Also, could you come to some agreement as to the image format you intend to use... we have duplicate images in various file formats. See [[Category_talk:Klyros_Ideograms]] for some idea of what I mean. Thanks. -- [[User:Ethryn\|Ethryn]] 11:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
			:I will work on categorization in following days. Klyros ideograms will be moved into [[:Category:Klyros Ideograms\|Klyros Ideograms]], while obsolete ideograms will be moved to [[:Category:Images to be erased\|Images to be erased]]. --[[User:Grigori\|Grigori]] 07:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

	==Usage of Kefaos==		==Usage of Kefaos==