__TOC__

== How to Begin ==
To begin cooking, visit <name> in the kitchen of <building>, located in the center of Ojaveda. Speak with her and you will be allowed to begin the introductory cooking quest. The purpose of this quest is two fold: to familiarizing you with the basics of cooking, such as using the Preparation Table and tools, and to give you the novice's cooking book. This book, "Working in a Kitchen," must be equip in your mind slot during this quest; this may be done by opening up your inventory and dragging the book to the equipment slot that has a picture of a brain. There will be a later quest, given by the same lady, that will reward you with a more advanced cooking book. 
 
{{Warning|Bug: During the first cooking quest you will be asked to grill meat on a grill. The grills are the two cooking stations at the back of the kitchen. You will not be able ''left-click'' on them. You must directly ''right-click'' on them in order to interact with them.}}
 
== Tools ==
There are many tools that chefs use, including the kitchen knife, masher, wooden spoon, and scoop. These tools are sold through multiple merchants. Only a few tools are located Ojaveda, and the more exotic ones, such as the rolling pin, are not even located in a city.
 
== Fundamentals ==
=== Chemistry ===
Cooking in PlaceShift is very similar to simple chemical reactions: one or more ingredients are reacted together to create a product. The tools, books, and facilities used during the creation may be thought of as catalytic ingredients, in that they are required for the reaction but are not consumed. The formula for all recipes is:
: Book + Tool + Facility + One or More Ingredients --> Book + Tool + Facility + Product
As you can see, neither the book, tool, or facility is consumed, only the ingredients are consumed. The result is a single product ''type''. There may be multiples of that product type, such as measuring an [[apple jam]] into 50 [[scoop of apple jam|scoops of apple jam]], but those multiples will all be of the same type.
=== Culinary Reactions ===
All culinary reactions require a book, a facility, and one or more reagents, and produce one or more of a single product type. Sometime tools are needed, such as when [[#mashing|mashing]]; sometimes no tools are needed, such as when [[#heating|heating]].

To create a reaction, you must first equip the proper book in the mind slot. To do this, open the inventory window and drag the desired book into the equipment slot that has a picture of a brain. If you have a modified user interface, this brain picture may have been changed to something else. After the proper book is equipped, you must equip a tool if one is necessary; most likely this will be something like putting a [[kitchen knife]] in one of your hands. Finally, all of the necessary ingredients must be placed inside of the proper facility. There are many different types of facilities, from [[grill|grills]] to [[kettle|kettles]] to even a [[sack]] that is in your inventory.

Each different type of reaction requires a specific tool and a specific facility. Over time you will memorize what tools and facilities are needed for what reaction types, as they will never change from one recipe to the next. For example, a [[#cut|cutting]] reaction will always required a [[preparation table]] and a [[kitchen knife]], no matter what the ingredients are.

Once all of the reaction prerequisites are meet and the ingredients are placed in the proper facility, with the exception of a [[#combine|combination]] reaction, you must wait for time to pass to allow the ingredients to be processed. Just as it takes time to boil water and cut a carrot in real life, so too does it take time to do the same actions in PlaneShift.
=== Chaining Reactions ===
Some culinary reactions are able to be chained. For example, using a [[preparation table]] and a [[kitchen knife]], a [[pungent tuber]] may be cut into a [[sliced pungent tuber]], then into a [[diced pungent tuber]], and finally a [[minced pungent tuber]]. Once the proper tools are used and the pungent tuber is on the table, there is no extra effort needed to progress down the chain; the longer the tuber is on the table, the more it will be processed.
=== Reaction Types ===
==== Crumble ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: none
When crumbling, all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no crumbling reaction chains.
==== Cut ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[kitchen knife]]
When mashing, a [[kitchen knife]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. Some reactions will have a chain, such as [[pungent tuber|pungent tubers]], and others will not, such as [[apple pie]].
==== Grill ====
* Required facility: [[grill]]
* Required tool: none
When grilling, all ingredients must be placed in a [[grill]] and allowed time to process. There are no grilling reaction chains.
==== Heat ====
* Required facility: [[pot]]
* Required tool: none
When heating, all ingredients must be placed in a [[pot]] and allowed to time to process. Some reactions will have a chain, such as a [[water filled bucket]], and others will not, such as [[noodles]].
==== Mash ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[masher]]
When mashing, a [[masher]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no mashing chain reactions.
==== Measure ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[scoop]]
When measuring, a [[scoop]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no measuring chain reactions.
==== Mix ====
* Required facility: [[wooden bowl]]
* Required tool: [[wooden spoon]]
When mixing, a [[wooden spoon]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed inside of a [[wooden bowl]] and allowed time to process. There are no mixing reaction chains.
==== Panfry ====
* Required facility: [[iron skillet]]
* Required tool: none
When panfrying, all ingredients must be placed inside of a [[iron skillet]] and allowed time to process. There are no panfry reaction chains.
== Recipes ==
=== Water ===
Measure one water filled bucket to create 28 water pouches. 
Heat two water pouches to create one mug of hot water. 
Heat seven water pouches to create one quarter pot of water. 
Heat 14 water pouches to create one half pot of water. 
Heat 21 water pouches to create one three quarter pot of water.

{| border="1"
|+ Heat
|-
| Water Filled Bucket || Full Pot of Water || Pot of Hot Water || Pot of Simmering Water || Pot of Boiling Water
|}
=== Beginner Recipes ===
==== Sweet Tinga Tea ====
* Requirements
** Tools
*** "Working in a Kitchen"
*** Pot
*** Wooden Bowl
*** Wooden Spoon
** Ingredients
*** 2x Water Pouch
*** 2x Tinga Leaves
*** 1x Dash of Cinnamon
*** 1x Scoop of Strimptor
* Procedures
*# Equip "Working in a Kitchen".
*# Heat the two water pouches to create a mug of hot water.
*# Combine the tinga leaves, mug of hot water, and dash of cinnamon to create a steeping tinga tea.
*# Mix the steeping tinga tea to create tinga tea.
*# Combine the tinga tea and a scoop of strimptor to create an unmixed tinga tea.
*# Mix the unmixed tinga tea to create sweet tinga tea.

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__TOC__

== How to Begin ==
To begin cooking, visit <name> in the kitchen of <building>, located in the center of Ojaveda. Speak with her and you will be allowed to begin the introductory cooking quest. The purpose of this quest is two fold: to familiarizing you with the basics of cooking, such as using the Preparation Table and tools, and to give you the novice's cooking book. This book, "Working in a Kitchen," must be equip in your mind slot during this quest; this may be done by opening up your inventory and dragging the book to the equipment slot that has a picture of a brain. There will be a later quest, given by the same lady, that will reward you with a more advanced cooking book. 
 
{{Warning|Bug: You will be asked to grill meat on the grill, during the first cooking quest. The grills are the two cooking stations at the back of the kitchen. You will not be able ''left-click'' on them. You must directly ''right-click'' on them in order to interact with them.}}
 
== Tools ==
There are many tools that chefs use, including the kitchen knife, masher, wooden spoon, and scoop. These tools are sold through multiple merchants. Only a few tools are located Ojaveda, and the more exotic ones, such as the rolling pin, are not even located in a city.
 
== Fundamentals ==
=== Chemistry ===
Cooking in PlaceShift is very similar to simple chemical reactions: one or more ingredients are reacted together to create a product. The tools, books, and facilities used during the creation may be thought of as catalytic ingredients, in that they are required for the reaction but are not consumed. The formula for all recipes is:
: Book + Tool + Facility + One or More Ingredients --> Book + Tool + Facility + Product
As you can see, neither the book, tool, or facility is consumed, only the ingredients are consumed. The result is a single product ''type''. There may be multiples of that product type, such as measuring an [[apple jam]] into 50 [[scoop of apple jam|scoops of apple jam]], but those multiples will all be of the same type.
=== Culinary Reactions ===
All culinary reactions require a book, a facility, and one or more reagents, and produce one or more of a single product type. Sometime tools are needed, such as when [[#mashing|mashing]]; sometimes no tools are needed, such as when [[#heating|heating]].

To create a reaction, you must first equip the proper book in the mind slot. To do this, open the inventory window and drag the desired book into the equipment slot that has a picture of a brain. If you have a modified user interface, this brain picture may have been changed to something else. After the proper book is equipped, you must equip a tool if one is necessary; most likely this will be something like putting a [[kitchen knife]] in one of your hands. Finally, all of the necessary ingredients must be placed inside of the proper facility. There are many different types of facilities, from [[grill|grills]] to [[kettle|kettles]] to even a [[sack]] that is in your inventory.

Each different type of reaction requires a specific tool and a specific facility. Over time you will memorize what tools and facilities are needed for what reaction types, as they will never change from one recipe to the next. For example, a [[#cut|cutting]] reaction will always required a [[preparation table]] and a [[kitchen knife]], no matter what the ingredients are.

Once all of the reaction prerequisites are meet and the ingredients are placed in the proper facility, with the exception of a [[#combine|combination]] reaction, you must wait for time to pass to allow the ingredients to be processed. Just as it takes time to boil water and cut a carrot in real life, so too does it take time to do the same actions in PlaneShift.
=== Chaining Reactions ===
Some culinary reactions are able to be chained. For example, using a [[preparation table]] and a [[kitchen knife]], a [[pungent tuber]] may be cut into a [[sliced pungent tuber]], then into a [[diced pungent tuber]], and finally a [[minced pungent tuber]]. Once the proper tools are used and the pungent tuber is on the table, there is no extra effort needed to progress down the chain; the longer the tuber is on the table, the more it will be processed.
=== Reaction Types ===
==== Crumble ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: none
When crumbling, all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no crumbling reaction chains.
==== Cut ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[kitchen knife]]
When mashing, a [[kitchen knife]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. Some reactions will have a chain, such as [[pungent tuber|pungent tubers]], and others will not, such as [[apple pie]].
==== Grill ====
* Required facility: [[grill]]
* Required tool: none
When grilling, all ingredients must be placed in a [[grill]] and allowed time to process. There are no grilling reaction chains.
==== Heat ====
* Required facility: [[pot]]
* Required tool: none
When heating, all ingredients must be placed in a [[pot]] and allowed to time to process. Some reactions will have a chain, such as a [[water filled bucket]], and others will not, such as [[noodles]].
==== Mash ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[masher]]
When mashing, a [[masher]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no mashing chain reactions.
==== Measure ====
* Required facility: [[preparation table]]
* Required tool: [[scoop]]
When measuring, a [[scoop]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed in a [[preparation table]] and allowed time to process. There are no measuring chain reactions.
==== Mix ====
* Required facility: [[wooden bowl]]
* Required tool: [[wooden spoon]]
When mixing, a [[wooden spoon]] must be equipped in either hand, and all ingredients must be placed inside of a [[wooden bowl]] and allowed time to process. There are no mixing reaction chains.
==== Panfry ====
* Required facility: [[iron skillet]]
* Required tool: none
When panfrying, all ingredients must be placed inside of a [[iron skillet]] and allowed time to process. There are no panfry reaction chains.
== Recipes ==
=== Water ===
Measure one water filled bucket to create 28 water pouches. 
Heat two water pouches to create one mug of hot water. 
Heat seven water pouches to create one quarter pot of water. 
Heat 14 water pouches to create one half pot of water. 
Heat 21 water pouches to create one three quarter pot of water.

{| border="1"
|+ Heat
|-
| Water Filled Bucket || Full Pot of Water || Pot of Hot Water || Pot of Simmering Water || Pot of Boiling Water
|}
=== Beginner Recipes ===
==== Sweet Tinga Tea ====
* Requirements
** Tools
*** "Working in a Kitchen"
*** Pot
*** Wooden Bowl
*** Wooden Spoon
** Ingredients
*** 2x Water Pouch
*** 2x Tinga Leaves
*** 1x Dash of Cinnamon
*** 1x Scoop of Strimptor
* Procedures
*# Equip "Working in a Kitchen".
*# Heat the two water pouches to create a mug of hot water.
*# Combine the tinga leaves, mug of hot water, and dash of cinnamon to create a steeping tinga tea.
*# Mix the steeping tinga tea to create tinga tea.
*# Combine the tinga tea and a scoop of strimptor to create an unmixed tinga tea.
*# Mix the unmixed tinga tea to create sweet tinga tea.

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Mreeske:

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Mreeske:

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Mreeske: /* Numeral Ideograms */ new section

Just thought I'd open this discussion so that there could be communication between people who are working on this language.
-bguy

==Usage of Kefaos==
I think it would be good to expand upon this section, but I am not sure how I would do so. Any ideas?
-bguy

==Knubixos==
The only use for Knubixos I can think of is signifying that word is someone's signature. Are there any other uses anyone can think of because that?
-bguy

:Well, it can be used as punctuation like end of sentence or end of paragraph or something.
:--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 17:59, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

::In the typography section it says that there is no punctuation, just spaces for end of sentences and half spaces for end of words, and even those are optional.
::-bguy

== Konos and Kzanos morphology ==

It looks like it is now required strongly to specify ''' ''strict morphology'' ''' of konos and kzanos. There must be a set of rules that can at least clearly define '''word class''' and '''the root''' of it. As we have some material on it I think that word class is to be defined by one prefix, sometimes two. I strongly recommend not to implement other types of prefixes.

Otherwise there will be no language but mess of things.

For now I start to look at current honoring "wo-" prefix with indignation.

Also for konos there can be several of them derived from single ksin. It should be some sub-class suffix I think. We now have only "-san" and "-sin". It should be more. I think something for place where the action takes place, result of it maybe. I wonder if we could you Hrothgart's ideograms qu, qa etc. It still shall be considered and discussed.

--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 05:27, 21 May 2009 (PDT)

:Perhaps prefixes should be reserved for word class as you said, and also very important descriptors, so it would work as a title of degree. For example, '''ksiblimwo''' would mean "a brother I honor" while '''kwosiblim''' means "an honorable brother that you should honor as well". This would allow for more word diversity, and if it is noted that the practice is mostly for poetic effect, it would take care of the multitudes of prefixes that are derived from suffixes.
:-bguy

::Once again, the potential difficulty that we could face in further developing is to define '''the root'''. For example '''kwosiblim''' is "wo" the root or "sib"?

::I've been thinking for quite some time on idea of special silent words that are used to split honoring prefixes/suffixes from the main.

::Like '''ksiblim-wo''' instead of '''ksiblimwo''' and '''wo-ksiblim''' instead of '''kwosiblim'''. Much more clear for me. Being silent word it show have no sounds of it own but while spelling maybe it could mean little bit longer pause between syllables. It would however look like Japanese transliteration. You know, Somebody-kun, Someone-sama :).

::--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 04:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

:::- Sounds reasonable. Would there be an ideogram to represent this, or would it be limited to transliteration? Also would it be a strict requirement for grammar, or used as needed for differing situations?

::::- Ideogram will be better I think. Or maybe two - for splitting the word core from (dis)honoring prefixes and suffixes. As for use. Well, it could be optional but still recommended. What would you think? --[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 23:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

==Knetos Morphology==
In the current morphology of Knetos, you describe them as Net with a specific suffix. How does this show spatial relationships or other prepositions, and if it is just such, what is the purpose as these are already described in the Ksinos' suffixes?
-bguy

:It's just I cannot yet find good enough ideograms for spatial and temporal relations. For now there is only "netqo" - analogous to "at" in English. But for now there is no "from" or "to" knetos. As for dublication... maybe we'll get rid of it later. --[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 14:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

::Dublication removed hehe.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 16:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kzanos and desriptive ksinos? ==

It looks like Klyran now lacks kzanos. It is not about their number but about concept. For example how can we write "red house". I concern "red" now. There should be certain ksin as base of word "red". If it is "to be red" ksin then we need a whole class of ksinos of type "to be ..." (blue, kind, strong, gentle, shy, weak, etc.). And for that class kzanos starting with zan- are derived.

Otherwise we should change original idea of Klyran as verb-only-base language.

--Grigori

:My opinion on this is that Kzanos would be a more figurative language. For example, "fuu" means to shroud or to hide, while "xufuu" could mean black. "Xunwos" (under the assumption Klyran blood is red) could be red, "xulim" sky blue, "xumil" ocean blue, etc. As this is a klyros language, association between colors and words don't have to "make sense" to the general population, as long as it "makes sense" to Klyros of the long ago when it was made. If you don't object to this, we could add to the Language page a list of colors and their words,

:--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 12:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

::#At least lets don't use "xu-" for descriptive kzanos. Let it be "zan-". "xu-" is for possessive.
::#It really would be complicated. So a ksin has meaning as verb and also as adverb/adjective if "zan-" is added to the beginning with little logical connection with the verb. It can save us much time on drawing ideograms of course but we'll for each ideogram make 2 such senses (verb & adverb/adjective).

::--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 04:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:::#Sorry, I had a thought xu was descriptive for some reason.
:::#It doesn't have to be complicated. We could have a list of 10 or so colors, and those would be the only colors (others would be like greenish-blue so a mix of two words). Not every word needs a separate descriptive. Zanbel just could mean "like a cry" or "crying" in gerund form (is it gerund?) and zanda could be "thankful".
:::--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 13:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::::So be it. Still we need many adjectives so I'll soon change Vocabulary table.
::::Well, we could need several kzanos derived from single root but for such we could use some sub-class suffixes.
::::--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 15:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::IF you use sub-class suffixes, perhaps it could be different senses, like sound, taste, sight, smell, touch... and maybe two more creative ones...
:::::--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 18:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::::::Lets leave it so far.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 16:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Ok. We left it for some time. And now I just sense I cannot develop the language in the direction chosen. If ksinos - verbs are the CORE of language, then how could I write terms that are not anyhow connected to any process. Platinum, oil, sky, crystal. Its not only Konos, its kzanos as well. I don't know what to do. I more and more desire to change the principle of verbs as fundament of Klyran.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 13:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Grammar ==

How many tenses should Klyran have? Common has more then dozen, its quite complicated especially as many are not English-speakers.

Some languages have only past, present and future. Much simpler especially as many players use Common that way (like saying Present Simple "Person waves" instead of Present Progressive "Person is waving" or Present perfect "Person has waved").

:I've already simplified this with the auxiliary word "a." (read under ksinos, there are a couple paragraphs about this) The only tenses are past, present, and future. In "Person is Waving" it would become "person waves" as in current grammar the Auxiliary is removed and there is no "ing" ending.
:--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 12:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, then few more to discuss:

::There should be sort of conjunctive mood, imperative mood and infinitive. As for conjunctive mood I'd like it to be simple "-je" suffix. Dunno about infinitive, but for imperative we could make several possible suffixes. Like "asking" suffix, "begging" suffix, "commanding" one or even "threatening" one :).

::Morethere we still should define aspects. Ok, no continuous one. What is left? Perfective and imperfective?

::--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 15:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

:::I really like the moods idea. About the aspects, a few of your suffixes work as aspects, as using them when they are optional puts emphasis on them. To keep it simple, I'd suggest that all are optional as we have been doing. I don't believe Klyran needs to have a strict grammar, such as a subject-predicate order or the like. Klyran would be a language of major variance to represent different cultures, in this way, I believe that for every "complex" grammar rule, it has a defined, simplified, and negated versions to be able to be used. Such as with the suffixes for example. Lack of suffixes is "negated," sin and san only is "simplified," and all the others added in is the "defined." I think it works well this way.

:::--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 16:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm, anything can be actually optional if it can be defined from the context or actually is not something really important for sense core.

::::Lets think about mood. If the sentence have no subject then the only verb should be interpreted as one in imperative mood (as in English). There could be imperative mood suffix, but it is optional, to clarify whether it is begging, command or something else. If there is sequence of 2 verbs then the last can be considered as infinitive with no special particle "to" like in English. But still, I'd prefer simple grammar only with methods of clarifying. There should optional suffix for infinitive. And for conjunctive mood... there must be a suffix, not optional otherwise you won't distinguish it with indicative mood, so let it be "-je".

::::However optionality and non-strict grammar rules clearly must have limits. We can't violate subject-predicate order, there would be no difference in "I rob you" and "You rob me". There are of course languages with no strict word order, but they have grammatical cases of words. Believe me, when I say we don't want it here.

::::--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 01:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Textbook ==
Well, the language becomes more and more formed. And with it more and more grammatical components of it are described in the article. It becomes difficult to understand it. We need a textbook. "Learning Klyran for dummies"... He-he :D.
--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 01:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I was actually going to write this and try to submit it to Jayose Library if the Explorers are still open for submissions.
--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 13:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Common words ==
As Klyros have lived for so long in Yliakum, they need to be able to write Common words in Klyran. Even if we consider Klyran language as abandoned one and recently recovered and re-learned there is still need in writing at least names. There are two ways I see:
#To imitate the spelling with Klyran ideograms. Not a good way.
#To have new class of ideograms - Common liters.
I think the second is better but it is going to take some time. I will work on it.
--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 01:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

:This is ok, but I think its only purpose is for translating names out of Klyran origin and for Klyran to common transliteration. I think a simplified alphabet would do the trick. Perhaps 14 letters? (You can easily get this by combining repeat letters like g and j; c, k, and x; b and v, e and i; ch and sh; etc.)--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

::I don't get it. How can I rid of 12 liters? Ok, instead of "x" I get "ks", "v" instead of "w", "q"="ku", But what is with the rest?--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 07:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:::As I said, simplified. Here is one right now. A, C, D, E, F, G, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, V, SH. 16 letters is enough. Any word using letters out of these can be simplified. Butterfly -> Voterfla. It sounds awkward, but it will due for its limited use.--[[User:Bguy|Bguy]] 13:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Too complicated IMHO. And after all as Klyros mainly use Common nowadays there must had been cultural integration process that must have affected the Klyros language as well. Well, maybe they didn't use all Common alphabet, but 16 is not enough. I will edit the article and add all 26 liters. In future we could remove some. --[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 11:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

==Words==
I'm thinking most single-ideographic words should be one syllable long, two max. I also think there should be a big diversity among the words so they take advantage of all the letters and all 11 vowels (a, e, i, o, u, aa, ee, ii, oo, uu, and '). Should there be other guide lines and are these good enough to declare guidelines?
-bguy

:I also agree on one syllable MUST be prefered. Otherwise we are to have transliterations that can be interpreted too many ways with too many senses. As for diversity you will soon find that as you add more and more ideograms, pronouncing diversity will vanish anyway so there is not much sense in trying to increase diversity now.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 17:56, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

==Konos formation==
For every language many words, particularly nouns share the same root. For example "brother" and "brotherhood", "payer", "payee" and "payment". There must be distinguishing between them inside class of konos. The only way I see to do it is to develop further suffixes. For now it is "sin" (-er) and "san" (ee) only. I think we should add more for naming nouns that somehow relate to the ksin that is the root. For example, a tool that was used for doing the action, a one who assisted the action, for one who opposed the action and so on.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 17:56, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

:Sounds reasonable, but the Klyros Language is also an adaptive and flexible one, so too many additions like this might might it to inflexible. Also, I don't think it should be a carbon copy of Common, so that it has its own uniqueness in most sections. Personally I thought that '''sin''', '''san''', and the lack of them would be enough for the most part, but if you can think of one or two more very useful ones, I wouldn't disagree.
:-bguy

==Vocabulary itself==
I think after describing ideograms we shall at last have transliteration vocabulary at the end of the page. But it is much of work that should be done while no change of ideograms (except draws). So we must all agree on that stage of work to start.--[[User:Grigori|Grigori]] 17:56, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

:If you could set up an extra column I'd be able to start that a bit, and transliteration isn't too much work. If we decided to change the word, the transliteration could easily be change along with it.
:-bguy

== Numeral Ideograms ==

I think the ideogram for number 4 needs to be changed due to it not being a natural progression from the ideogram for 3. The number 3 has the long slash from the top-right to bottom-left, and two shorter top-right to bottom-left slashes above and below the larger slash. However, the number 4 -loses- the lower, short slash. If I were writing these out as incremental tick marks on a piece of paper, which Klyran can get away with, I would have to bust out the eraser and erase a portion of the ideogram when incrementing from 3 to 4.

Simply rotating the three short slashes in numeral 4 clockwise 90 degrees would solve this. I argue clockwise instead of counter-clockwise because it seems like all of the other numeral ideograms have new slashes starting at the left or the top, not the bottom.

I'm no linguist; it just doesn't flow right for me. :P --[[User:Mreeske|Mreeske]] 02:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)